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Poster: user unknown Date: Jun 16, 2009 8:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: WTF is a "touch--head"

I never hear anyone called a "Cream Puff Head", an "Uncle John Head" or any other "(Insert name of tune here) Head"...not even a "Samba Head".

A Deadhead is someone who "gets it". Does it matter when, where or why? I think not. Damn, if you get it..you get it. If you don't you're no Deadhead, you're just a poser.

We're all on this crazy bus ride together. Age, gender, race, creed, and yea even at which stop you got on the bus are of little/no importance.. It is all about the music

If you have to ask, you just wouldn't understand.

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Poster: tim_oz Date: Jun 16, 2009 8:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WTF is a 'touch--head'

I'm just a Mr Potato Head

In all my detachable glory:

'So I give you my eyes, and all of their lies'

'When there was no ear to hear, you sang to me'

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Poster: ducats Date: Jun 17, 2009 4:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WTF is a 'touch--head'

u r correct - and the thread starter wrong. you either get it or you don't, and it only happens once, and once a dead head always a dead head, and its mostly about the music. imo - the "fans" that came with tog more often than not never got it, but to each its own.

The bus came by and I get on.................

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Poster: jimmy cliff Date: Jun 17, 2009 4:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WTF is a 'touch--head'

"Samba head", that's brilliant. What about, "Easy Answers head" or "Day Job head"?

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Poster: high flow Date: Jun 17, 2009 6:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WTF is a 'touch--head'

Give Me Some Lovin' Head?? Good Lovin' Head???

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 16, 2009 8:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

Here's the Wiki scoop:

"Deadheads through the years
1960s - Before the term was invented, The Grateful Dead became one of the first cult acts in music...Fans gathered at their jam concerts throughout the sixties.

1970s - essentially known as the "second generation of Deadheads," the new Deadheads of this time can either be traced to "an older sibling who had turned them on by spinning Workingman's Dead...

1980s - The early 1980s...Deadheads began to realize they could sell their wares (anything from tie-dye t-shirts to veggie burritos) in order to follow around the band more. Also during the early '80s, Deadhead tapers grew exponentially, resulting in the band designating a taping section in October of 1984.

With the success of their album In the Dark (and the single "Touch of Grey"), 1988 started the "Mega-Dead" period.

In the Darkers - also known as "Touchheads" (a reference of the album for the former and the single for the latter), these fans "dissed the fragile ecosystem" of a Grateful Dead show, in the words of Jackson. This led to "wiser" Deadheads, with the backing of the band, to mail SOS's and hand out show flyers telling people to "cool out."

Minglewood Town Council - this group was a direct result of the Touchheads and were a "tribal council" consisting of Deadheads and the Hog Farmers Calico and Goose. They handed out garbage bags at shows for people to pick up trash afterwards and tried to keep the masses mellow.

1990s - The Deadheads of this time "tended to be young, white, male, and from middle-class backgrounds -- in short, they were drawn from much the same demographic base as most rock fans." The band also tended to attract a large percentage of fans from high-income families. The main draw for these Deadheads to travel to shows seemed to be the sense of community and adventure. During the mid-90's there were a series of small "Deadhead Riots" peaking with a large scale riot at the Deer Creek Music Center near Indianapolis in July 1995. The riot was triggered by several gatecrashing incidents and resulted in the fence at the venue being torn down by rioting Deadheads and subsequently the cancellation of the next day's show. The riot received national attention and is immortalized by Keller Williams in his song "Gatecrashers Suck" in which he calls the rioters "cock sucking motherfuckers."

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jun 16, 2009 9:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

Do you think "Keller Williams" is Noise Collector? That song sounds like one he might do... and he does have a cut with "Keller" in the title, come to think of it...?

Now, I first heard the Dead because of an older sibling spinning Workingman's for me... and I'm not kidding. Same sibling is now a noted musicologist at McGill, and has even been quoted in this Forum... but not by me.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 17, 2009 7:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

Whoa! That's pretty cool SCB! My older brothers bought the first album, and then yrs later one of them played AmBeauty all day for a number of days while we hung around, me looking up and him looking out...

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jun 17, 2009 8:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

There was a great high-school themed show on TV a while back called "Freaks And Geeks." In the final episode, a tie-dyed teacher gives one of the girl students a copy of AB. She plays "Box Of Rain," then starts it over again, and again, and again. And they used the real song on the show too! Since it took place in the 80's, and school just let out, she decides to go "On Tour" for the summer.... must see TV.;-)

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jun 17, 2009 8:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

"Freaks & Geeks" - created by Judd Apatow, now a movie guy responsible for things like Superbad, Knocked Up, etc. I love the guy because he also has a thing for Loudon Wainwright: he made Loudon a series regular as Jay Baruchel's dad in his one-season series "Undeclared", and of course Loudon did the soundtrack (not the score) for Knocked Up.

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Poster: edgehead 2 Date: Jun 17, 2009 9:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

I have to chime in on anything Loudon Wainwright III related. He is one of America's most profound song writers and is simply hilarious. The Knocked Up soundtrack is excellent as is the album that followed called Recovery. It's a collection of his earliest songs rerecorded with the Knocked Up studio musicians. Both are great introductions to LWIII's music. His live albums are all fantastic as well. e (Loudon-Head)

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jun 17, 2009 11:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

Hey Edgehead,

FYI In case you didn't know - the "Undeclared" DVD collection has some live Loudon stuff on it recorded at Largo. If you have netflix or another rental service, just rent the last DVD in the set and it has five or six songs recorded live at Club Largo LA. Off the top of my head, I can't remember what all the songs are, but "White Winos" is a highlight.

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Poster: edgehead 2 Date: Jun 17, 2009 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

No Shit!?! That's news to me. White Winos is my wife's favorite LWIII song. Thanks for the recommedation- I'm on it! e

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jun 17, 2009 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

the girls all love "White Winos"; best Oedipal song ever!

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Jun 17, 2009 7:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: [off-topic: "Tiger Rose" LP download]

fenario80: Here is a link to Hunter's "Tiger Rose" LP available via flac download. I trust "Yellow Moon" isn't scratched ... i'm downloading now.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3912486/Robert_Hunter_1975_-_Tiger_Rose_FLAC

Good luck,
--- pauld.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jun 18, 2009 7:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: [off-topic: 'Tiger Rose' LP download]

Wow - I am impressed that you remembered. Much appreciated; many thanks; I am also downloading now.

PS I use Windows OneCare for all my PC-protection needs, and it told me that it had to stop an exploit tracker from installing before it would let me do anything else on that site. The Pirate Bay may be tracking you ...

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Jun 27, 2009 6:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: [off-topic: 'Tiger Rose' LP download]

fenario80: ...Pirate Bay is the least of my worries regarding whose tracking me!!! I don't know if you will get this post, but feel free to contact me at: Jerri1031-dp3 AT yahoo.com ...I'll set you up with Hunter stuff.

--- pauld.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jul 10, 2009 11:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: [off-topic: 'Tiger Rose' LP download]

You can always Clear Private Data (except passwords) in Firefox, and run Malawarebytes or SpyBot etc and/or CCleaner, if you want a shower with hot water and soap.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 17, 2009 10:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

Quick cut and paste from RT's site (of course their respective sons do a lot of shows together as well; this is the dads' first together jaunt):

Fri, 2 October 2009 Lebanon, NH Opera House (603) 448-0400
Lebanon Opera House
Loud & Rich
Loudon Wainwright III and
Richard Thompson
on stage together and separately
Sat, 3 October 2009 Burlington, VT Flynn Center for the Performing Arts (802) 863-5966
Flynn Center for the Performing Arts
Loud & Rich
Loudon Wainwright III and
Richard Thompson
on stage together and separately
Sun, 4 October 2009 Cambridge, MA Harvard University - Sanders Theatre (617) 496-2222
Sanders Theatre
Loud & Rich
Loudon Wainwright III and
Richard Thompson
on stage together and separately
Tue, 6 October 2009 Northampton, MA Calvin Theatre (413) 586-8686
Calvin Theatre
Loud & Rich
Loudon Wainwright III and
Richard Thompson
on stage together and separately
Thu, 8 October 2009 Tarrytown, NY Music Hall (914) 631-3390
Tarrytown Music Hall
Loud & Rich
Loudon Wainwright III and
Richard Thompson
on stage together and separately
Sat, 10 October 2009 Westhampton Beach, NY Westhampton Beach PAC (631) 288-1500
Westhampton Beach PAC
Loud & Rich
Loudon Wainwright III and
Richard Thompson
on stage together and separately
Mon, 12 October 2009 Wilmington, DE Grand Opera House (302) 652-5577
Grand Opera House
Loud & Rich
Loudon Wainwright III and
Richard Thompson
on stage together and separately
Tue, 13 October 2009 Towson, MD Goucher College - Kraushaar Auditorium (410) 337-6154
Kraushaar Auditorium
Loud & Rich
Loudon Wainwright III and
Richard Thompson
on stage together and separately

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Poster: edgehead 2 Date: Jun 17, 2009 11:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

Wow...i had no idea this was happening. Too bad they're not hitting Denver. Thanks for the info. e

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jun 17, 2009 3:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

thanks for the tour list, i've seen LWIII at Sanders Theatre in the past and i think i'll try to make that show come October; as i've stated here previously, i've been a fan of Loudon's since 'I'm Alright' and you can definitely argue persuasively that he is one of America's greatest lyricists, if not the greatest; but it's not just his lyrics, but the way he often combines his lyrics with the perfect musical expression, even if in the most unusual ways; an example i can think of is his song 'Unhappy Anniversary', in which the lyrics describe basically the anniversary of a long-ago breakup, and while the words are of the uncheerful variety, the music is actually more of a fanfare, or celebratory nature ... so what you end up with is a song in which the lyrics and the music are in contrast with each other, and yet blend perfectly together!

i love Loudon's music; his songs have perfect symmetry, his lyrics are profound, and his take on life is real; i am not a 'lyrics' person per se, i rarely if ever listen to the lyrics of song, and could care less about the meaning behind lyrics, but LWIII is the one exception (in that i listen, even if i do not necessarily try to decode)

if anyone here plans on attending the Sanders show, i'd be happy to meet up

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jun 17, 2009 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

Richard Thompson, another underappreciated genius. If anyone lives near these shows and has never seen these guys, this is a great opportunity. None of us are getting any younger ...

This may be their first tour together, but they've been pals since at least the early-80's; RT plays on Loudon's 80's albums I'm Alright, More Love Songs and possibly Fame & Wealth. He also appears on at least one of Loudon's live records, "So Damn Happy," recorded here in LA at the old Club Largo.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 18, 2009 8:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

I saw Louden for the first time last Month. BRILLIANT absolutely brilliant! I can't believe it took me so long to listen. I've known about him forever but never dove in until now. Lots of humor and extemely profound stuff - in fact I'm not ashamed to say the song "your mother and I" had tears running down my face ( I'm glad it was a dark theater ). Anyone who's ever gone through a divorce with young children would understand.

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Poster: edgehead 2 Date: Jun 18, 2009 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

Indeed. "April Fool's Day Morn" is the one that kills me every time. I've taken quite a few folks to see him over the years and everyone has pretty much the same response as you. It's amazing how clearly you can hear/understand his songs live without ever hearing the original first.

One of my favorite things about a Loudon show is people trying to keep their fits of laughter under control in such a quiet setting. This is especially the case with the song with the line "Now you've got a frozen, broken heart (‘cause she’s dead…)". These two the live albums are fantastic: “So Damn Happy” (2003); “Career Moves” (1993). I like all his stuff (though the early records sound like shit) but the live albums really capture what he’s about. The later includes “Acid Song” which is crucial listening for anyone visiting this site.  e

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jun 18, 2009 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

I've had that experience several times - everyone I've ever taken to see Loudon loves him right out the gate, and as you say, the fact that they can understand every single word is probably a big factor. He's a really good singer, the kind that has mostly improved with age.

Surviving Twin is the one that kills me ...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 18, 2009 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

have you heard the one about Suzie? The " B" that worked for the airlines and broke his martin guitar? Hillarious!

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jul 10, 2009 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

Hey JOTS - Well, see here, Loudon should have made a video:

Saw this on the AP yesterday, with the story that they paid up after the video got some media notice:

"United Breaks Guitars"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 10, 2009 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

I saw that but wasn't able to view the video. was it good
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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jul 10, 2009 10:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

I like it - it's a fun C&W number. The guy also has a website davecarrollmusic-dot-com you might have better luck streaming the video from there.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jun 18, 2009 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

Hilarious, indeed, but I have a feeling he'll be dropping that one soon - in the course of listening to that song you realize it was his own fault: he ground-checked his guitar in a soft case!

I wondered why he did that, then I thought that if you are a lesser-known celebrity, you might think you look like a jerk who is trying to be recognized, walking around the airport carrying a guitar. If you really don't want to be recognized, then it's even worse.

So, Susie (Rachel?) IS a capital-B, and it is a funny song, but I kind of agree with her that the guitar damage was his fault. Heh-heh.

My favorite of the "newer" songs - and I'm not sure how new it is because I've seen him do it several times now - is the "Song In C" that he does at the piano. Sweet.


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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jun 17, 2009 9:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

No argument from me - I'm a huge fan, and think that LWIII has done something utterly unique, chronicling a version of his own life in song. He's a razor-sharp writer, and a strong musician, which are the big differences between him and all other so-called "funny" singer-songwriters.

I see him every time he comes to LA, and saw him play a local benefit for Peter Case just a month or so ago, where he opened with four brand new songs. Who does that? They were all about the economy, and they weren't all great, but at least one of them ("Depression") was. In an hour or so set, the oldest song he played was Grey In LA from Knocked Up. Loudon is a capital-A Artist, and would no doubt be the first to object to being called something like that.

Having met him on the street a number of times in the early to mid-00's when he lived in LA's Miracle Mile near my office, I was deeply disappointed when that song "My Biggest Fan" turned out to not be about me ...

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Poster: edgehead 2 Date: Jun 17, 2009 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

HA! Good one. Though I'm sure you're glad you don't have that many 'stones on your bones'. That's great that you've met him. I've met, talked to him but it's always at a show, crowds, etc...He's actually pretty friendly for someone who is probably quite the curmudgeon at home.

Very interesting about all the new songs. Especially compared to all the old stuff he’s been playing from Recovery over the last year or so. Perhaps that why…e

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Jun 17, 2009 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

I owe my early discovery to my older brother too. He had all the released GD studio & live albums... though I don't ever remember him playing them (he had 300+ rock albums). Looking back on it, I think the album covers might have drawn me in - esp. Live Dead, Skull & Roses, & WOTF. In particular, I remember at the time thinking that WOTF was a fantastic cover, but I couldn't get into any of the tunes.

I can clearly remember hiking through the shaded Canyon trails full of redwoods & ferns, and just being mesmerized by The Other One from Skull & Roses on the walkman. "Spanish lady comes to me, she lays on me this rose. It rainbow spirals round & round it trembles and explodes." It was way more far out than anything I had ever heard....

So, my big bro was a GD enabler rather than a missionary, but I still owe it to him.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 17, 2009 3:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

I have one of the original "Cool It" fliers they handed out in St. Louis after the Deer Creek fiasco. If I can dig it up I'll scan and post a pic of it. I also have the local newspaper from the day after the st louis shows, some of my friends are on the front page picture. The caption reads "Deadheads Mello as a Cello."

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Poster: barongsong Date: Jun 17, 2009 5:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

I got a question for any of you early 70's heads. When the dead were playing the large venues in like 73-74, {Watkins Glen comes to mind} were there even older heads going ah another Skullf&*%khead, Floodster, or whatever. Just curious what the scene was like when some of the shows were even larger then 88-95.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 18, 2009 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

Not sure if I got the question there Baron(g) as my puter alterred your profanity, but out West we started have these really big concerts and we just viewed them as a lot more hassle...outside, too far away when parking (there was NO "scene" at the time), etc., etc.

So, it was always a no brainer that small was best. We just assumed it was another way for the Man (BillG) to make more $.

Also hated that you had to fight up front, since elsewhere the band was like little stick figures on a faraway stage...

We defn used "waiting for a flood?" to folks with shorter than cool pants...

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Jun 17, 2009 5:50pm
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Floodster - that's a good one! Actually, in the 70's didn't the term "floods" refer to pants that weren't long enough?

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Poster: barongsong Date: Jun 17, 2009 7:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

I believe that was highwaters or was that 80's.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jun 17, 2009 6:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

It seems to me Touchheads caused problems at Kaiser. It got really crowded and it seemed like some of the smaller niceties were dropped. We called them space invaders. What was weird that not long later spaces became sacrosanct even when saved for people who wouldn't be there for hours.

I think a more popular term for Touchheads at the time was Dark Eyes, from the album art, and there was hopes of bringing back Blues for Allah to weed some out. But it was Reagan's America and the bus just had to get bigger.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 17, 2009 7:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

Example of "Touch-heads" : I worked at a Tower Records , and the back of the store we had a cassette section . I over herd this remark . "Dude, check it out, Touch Of Grey, pretty cool for a old fogey band"...
I recall feeling like an "old timer," for the 1st time at the Ventura show, in which the brought back Crazy Fingers, kids around me were asking "what song is this ".

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jun 17, 2009 2:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

I didn't feel old until I heard what a great song Guns & Roses wrote: Knockin' On Heaven's Door.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jun 17, 2009 12:25pm
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I suppose I'm too old to be called a "darkie" which under different circumstances might seem unflattering. I suppose I could be called a "workingman."

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Poster: snori Date: Jun 17, 2009 3:07am
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I'd love to see one of those flyers telling people to 'cool out'. Anyone got one ?

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jun 17, 2009 9:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Perhaps they're in the Dark?

Here's the text that McNally wrote, which was signed by the whole band. Entitled "This Darkness Has Got To Give."

Dear Dead Head:

This is the way it looks to us from the stage:

At Deer Creek, we watched many of you cheer on and help a thousand fools kick down the fence and break into the show. We can't play music and watch plywood flying around endangering people. The security and police whom those people endangered represent us, work for us — think of them as us. ...

Don't you get it?

Over the past 30 years we've come up with the fewest possible rules to make the difficult act of bringing tons of people together work well. We've never had to cancel a show before because of you. Think about it. ...

Want to end the touring life of the Grateful Dead? Allow bottle-throwing gate crashers to keep on thinking they're cool anarchists instead of the creeps they are.

Want to continue it? Listen to the rules, and pressure others to do so. A few more scenes like Sunday night, and we'll quite simply be unable to play. The spirit of the Grateful Dead is at stake, and we'll do what we have to protect it. And when you hear somebody say, 'Fuck you, we'll do what we want,' remember something:

That applies to us, too.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Jun 18, 2009 11:36am
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There is a great one that was distributed in 88-89 on Duprees Diamond News where they make statement of similar ilk. The cool thing is that it actually stuck for a bit. The one I think you are quoting I think never got a chance since it was the last tour, but gate crashing had been a problem at Deer Creek since 91 soooo...

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jun 16, 2009 9:19pm
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"In the dark?" Those "kids" must've been hard to handle.
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Well, we'll just have to get them listening to 4/29/71 then won't we?
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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 17, 2009 7:17am
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Bastard! Can't let go, eh? Verily, I say:

Victory never tasted as sweet. These proud fallen shall never die, never fade, as we all are drawn to the banner of Verdun, the memory of their stand will forever light our way. Having given all at the end of the Sacred Way, they heeded--answered!--the cry "They Shall Not Pass!". And so it was.

But, enough of famous battles and such.

When I first read your comment it really struck me--WTF IS a Touch head? So, I googled it. "define" + "touch head". Guess what was the first entry?

Your POST!

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Poster: craven714 Date: Jun 17, 2009 6:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WTF is a 'touch--head'

I wanna be called Cream Puff head........
(good one)